Wednesday, August 25, 2021

bib 439 week 2

We missed Angel.
,Remember FPU only allows one absence in a six-week class. And tow online absences (no posts by Sunday pm))equals an absence.. Make-up assignment in Bible dept is a 1-2 page summary of the session you missed. So use tbis blog or notes from friends
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What do you remember about these pics?

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Philemon:
Remember what "saints" means in the Bible? Christians
Remember when I asked who was a saint in class?
Remember St. Bernard>

Remember what "church" means in the Bible?  Philemon? Never a buikding.  People.
And how large was a "large" church?
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 Movie Night: The Ten Commandments are a ___________


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Watch this interview of  a congressman  on Colbert about the Ten Commandments.  Post a short response: What did you think about it?


b)What are the first five things that come to mind when I say "The Ten Commandments"?
Don't think hard, don't Google, just post your first instinctive answers, bulletpoint is fine
This is word association, so say anything ..words or phrase..you think of : images, characters, feelings, anything.
Make one or two of you answers actual examples of the commandments.  That is, name a commandments if you know any, or remember any from the

  Colbert video

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Don't read any farther until you finish part b

c) Now let's move to the next part and make a similar list about a very different topic


If history is any record, here are some of the things you said.
Actual photo of whiteboard from previous class.
(Fascinating that students usually only mention The negative commandments: The Thou Shalt NOTS, and not the positive ones).

Now, on an obviously very different topic .

What are the first five things that come to mind when I say "Wedding" .
Just post your first instinctive answers below., bulletpoint is fine.
This is word association, so say anything ..words or phrase..you think of : images, characters, feelings, anything.


d)Now let's move on, and talk about your two word association lists.
  What you will see  has actually been a life-changer for many students..

Here are some words previous students have said for "wedding"

Once I had all guys in class, and they all said "open bar" (:

Now... wait for it!

Did it even cross your mind to put under the first list.

(word association about The Ten Commandments) to say the FIRST thing that a Jewish person back in Bible days..or today..say:


 WEDDING? 


Hmmm...start asking how the Ten Commandments are in any sense like a wedding.

In the meantime, click the next page for a quick  laugh before we take a  field trip to defend the thesis that

The Ten Commandments are a wedding

Video on Ten Commandments as "Wedding"

Grab the popcorn!

Watch the video. Do not worry about all the details, but look for big picture/thesis.  


  • What was interesting/What did you learn? 
  • How did this video make you feel or challenge your assumptions? 
  • Had it ever crossed your mind that the Ten Commandments were (like) a wedding before today??
  • Give at least two examples of how the commandments are like a wedding.
  • What do you think/feel about this thesis?

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Full video can be rented here

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We asked which list is the REAL ten commandments:


Exodus 20 or 34?
Se 2.1

MYSTERY TO SOLVE FOR NEXT CLASS:

Which list of the Ten Commandments is the "real" list??

We joked you could win $100 by saying, :
Let me read you a list of the Ten Commandments, the only list the Bible explicity calls the Ten Commandments.  Tell if this is the list.  A hundred bucks says I'm right.  Then read them the Ten Commandments from Exodus 34!!:

                      Exodus 20                                                                     Exodus 34: Note: this list, NOT THE 
                                                                                                       OTHER, is the one that says "THESE ARE    
                                                                                                        THE TEN COMMANDMENTS"                                                          


1. I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me.
 
1. Thou shalt worship no idol. (For the Lord is a jealous god).  Smash all idols,
 
2. You shall not make for yourself a graven image. You shall not bow down to them or serve them.
 
2. Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.
 
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. 3. The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep in the month when the ear is on the corn.
 
4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
 
4. All the first-born are mine.
 
5. Honor your father and your mother.
 
5. Six days shalt thou work, but on the seventh thou shalt rest.
 
6. You shall not kill.
 
6. Thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, even of the first fruits of the wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.
 
7. You shall not commit adultery.
 
7. Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leavened bread.
 
8. You shall not steal.
 
8. The fat of my feast shall not remain all night until the morning.
 
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
 
9. The first of the first fruits of thy ground thou shalt bring unto the house of the Lord thy God.
 
10. You shall not covet.
 
10. Thou shalt not boil a baby goat in its mother's milk.
 



These look only loosely related to the list we've all heard from Exodus 2O. Hmmmmm

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Who noticed the buckets in the room?  




I wonder what they meant? Who remembers?

By now, you may have noticed talk about "the grid":  Everybody has one, even if it's unspoken or intuitive.  By the end of class, we would love for you to be able to articulate what  you think is the best "grid" for discerning which scriptures (usually Old Testament commandments, like against mixing threads in clothes, dietary laws like no shrimp,  or the no tattoos text we have looked at  etc,; as well as  the New Testament commanding slaves to obey masters--is slavery OK?      , and apparently demanding wives to submit, and women not to speak in church) are binding for today?  Which texts are descriptive, and which are descriptive?  What is the grid for deciding which commandments we  are intended to keep "literally" or as they are, in our  contemporary world?  Chapter 9 of Fee and Stuart offers some help. 

Another metaphor for this, though it may sound crude, is "buckets." You may have seen two (or three) buckets in some of Dave's classes and  videos.  This is based on  Ron Martoia . Survey Ron Martoia's post on the "two buckets"   ), as well as    Adam Hamilton's  (see this  on THREE buckets), as they  challenge us to decide which bucket we place certain Scriptures in, and why. 



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Songs as text: 




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= Song as Text : "Venn it" on the Nameless Streets

Great job "practicing" Three Worlds interpretation by listening to songs, especially songs that come in two versions.

Sometimes it's a music video that tells a story, sometime the venue or occasion shifts the song's meaning or application.

Here's a very different U2 song , with two different performances from the same year

Watch both versions, and post notes about each.   Jot down as you watch and listen:
 Lyrics you can discern, theme, emotions, message, possible meaning of the title etc.  Especially watch for visual/nonverbal clues.   How were they the same/different? Which did you like better and why? 

This idea of comparing and contrasting two versions of the same song to detect meaning(us), we will call "Venn it!",

Draw  a version of this diagram (two interlocking circles in a  "venn" diagram, color is up to you)  and in the left hand circle, jot observations and notes about version a of the song, in the right  hand circle, jot observations and notes about version b.  In the middle, write anything you like about what the songs have in common, and post a word abut common theme or feel.  You can do this in paper and screenshot it, or draw mechanically.  ) In class , we do this for all our songs and analysis of two scriptural texts, commandments vs wedding etc,)   Examples? ; see last week  to see a "Venn it" of : the two creation accounts, 

Note: for the second version, some "historical world" info will be given to help.  This is like reading Philemon cold, or having a bit of backstory (who was Paul, slavery etc).

Resist the temptation to google the song, as the idea is to practice YOUR skills.

Version a :'



version b:

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Version b: U2 is not a "Christian band" in the sense of being in the Christian market or on a Christian label.  But all members are Christian, and the lyrics are full of biblical and faith references.  The band is from Ireland, and Bono (singer/lyricist) grew up with a Catholic parent and a Protestant parent, in times when those two groups (bounded sets) were often enemies, and even killed each other.  The setting for this version of the song is their huge homecoming concert at Slane Castle, with 80,000 fans reserved.  BUT the night before, Bono's father passed away.  The band and families are very close, and Bono and the band are heartbroken.  But what do you do, cancel a huge homecoming concert, to which fans were coming from several countries? No, you keep the date, and perform this song:'


Read this... and watch this video  after you have finished ZOOM 3 on the U2 song "Where the Streets Have No Name" 

Before you watch, try one word for what the song seems to be "about"...even if the word isn't mentioned in the lyrics.

The lyrics can be hard to hear..they are here, and may give a clue.

Bono, the singer/songwriter says all their songs can be turned into a prayer.

And he says about this song: "We can be in the middle of the worst gig in our lives, but when we go into that song, everything changes. The audience is on its feet, singing along with every word. It's like God suddenly walks through the room. It's the point where craft ends and spirit begins. How else do you explain it?" 

Dave reveals the "historical world" secret to "Streets Have No Name" in his video here  Remember, this is the first Super Bowl after 9/11, and U2 had already been booked to perform (Hmm, how might an Irish band speak to America's shock and grief?).  Dave reveals in the first video what Bono says at the beginning, and what's on the screen,  of this Super Bowl version of the song.



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TATTS  Remember the adjunct prof at FPU with the Leviticus 19:28 tattoo? =



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Extra credit: The FPU magazine implied this cross was on the school sign for decades,  But it was only there for three hours, and I (dave) put there...and almost got kicked out of school fir doing it.,  Google  for that story and text it to Dave by Week 3 class


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We did the first two minutes of this video, especially the EASIER VS HARDER QUESTION.
We talked about how Jesus shifted the law.  We will do the rest on Moodle this week


1 comment:

  1. I am impress how much knowledge you have and cool that you graduate from FPU on Communication/Spanish Language and Culture.

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